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Mr. M

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« Reply #15 on: 11/02-04:14 »

There are all types of editing on every end of the scale and by many names. Editing, proofreading, beta reading, critiquing, etc, etc, and  .....  etc.

I don't make a distinction. I don't really care what people want to call it. How about word or manuscript flunky. LOL. A rose by any other name still has to check for spelling.


Lol...too true, S!

At one end, the Grammar Gnomes work their magic in the dark of night, transforming misplaced apostrophes into the sublime and subtle orthography of sophisticated authors.
 
At the far end, scholars exhume the dusty tomes of the lauded literati and perform their archeological autopsy on the aesthetics and social context of the works of those moldering in their graves or far too famous to care.
 
And then there are those that occupy some ill-defined middle ground, reviewers of a Purgatorio of works that might one day rise to Divine prominence, but today are  the product of shadowy nom-de-plumes. And for some of those that reside  in that crepuscular world of fledgling literary critique,  I wonder-- do they sculpt the stepping stones of success for the aspiring artist...
 
or are they writing their own works through them?
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« Reply #16 on: 11/02-08:15 »


Lol...too true, S!

At one end, the Grammar Gnomes work their magic in the dark of night, transforming misplaced apostrophes into the sublime and subtle orthography of sophisticated authors.
 
At the far end, scholars exhume the dusty tomes of the lauded literati and perform their archeological autopsy on the aesthetics and social context of the works of those moldering in their graves or far too famous to care.
 
And then there are those that occupy some ill-defined middle ground, reviewers of a Purgatorio of works that might one day rise to Divine prominence, but today are  the product of shadowy nom-de-plumes. And for some of those that reside  in that crepuscular world of fledgling literary critique,  I wonder-- do they sculpt the stepping stones of success for the aspiring artist...
 
or are they writing their own works through them?

There is a line. The primary goal is to poke and prod but often you have no choice but give an example and hope it will give the idea. And yes I can imagine how tempting it is to say "write this or that".  And, I'm sure, in some cases, there is no choice but to virtually write it for them, but even then you're usually just rephrasing what they have written already, to get some level of imagery into the work.

And you're not obligated to post whenever you drop by. Most members will just drop in for a few minutes to check on things, read an article or board they have gotten to yet or to see if there is a new story.  You're not required to keep me entertained. The goal is to get you closer to your writing goals at a pace you feel comfortable with, plus just a little addition motivation from me, here and there as may be required.
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« Reply #17 on: 11/03-02:51 »

There is a line. The primary goal is to poke and prod but often you have no choice but give an example and hope it will give the idea. And yes I can imagine how tempting it is to say "write this or that".  And, I'm sure, in some cases, there is no choice but to virtually write it for them, but even then you're usually just rephrasing what they have written already, to get some level of imagery into the work.

A complete re-write or two might be just what the doctor ordered for someone with all the right skillz...but who needs a Muse to point out the path. The only real question is the judgement of the editor in question. Flann O'Brien (who you quoted in another thread) sent his manuscript for his second novel, The Third Policeman, to his editors. They turned it down saying they wanted him to tone down the fantastic nature of his writings. He did not write another novel for two decades. And The Third Policeman? Published posthumously to great acclaim.

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And you're not obligated to post whenever you drop by. Most members will just drop in for a few minutes to check on things, read an article or board they have gotten to yet or to see if there is a new story.  You're not required to keep me entertained. The goal is to get you closer to your writing goals at a pace you feel comfortable with, plus just a little addition motivation from me, here and there as may be required.

I have enjoyed our late night chats...even if they are spread out over several evenings.  And you know my fickle nature! I never know when the Wild Wind will call.


Besides...if you build a better mousetrap and bait it liberally with enticing treats...don't be surprised to find mice in it!
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« Reply #18 on: 11/03-03:18 »

A complete re-write or two might be just what the doctor ordered for someone with all the right skillz...but who needs a Muse to point out the path. The only real question is the judgement of the editor in question. Flann O'Brien (who you quoted in another thread) sent his manuscript for his second novel, The Third Policeman, to his editors. They turned it down saying they wanted him to tone down the fantastic nature of his writings. He did not write another novel for two decades. And The Third Policeman? Published posthumously to great acclaim.
Some publishers over think the market and the material. For me it's getting the author's material as good as he can make. I can tell them what I think and push them to do better, but they're the final judge. They're the only one's that have a financial stake(in man hours) in the game. I guess if I was running a publishing company I might want to add my two cents. I'd just like to think I was smart enough to get multiple opinions and never discourage a writer to the degree he doesn't write.




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I have enjoyed our late night chats...even if they are spread out over several evenings.  And you know my fickle nature! I never know when the Wild Wind will call.


Besides...if you build a better mousetrap and bait it liberally with enticing treats...don't be surprised to find mice in it!

I guess I should say gotcha then.
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« Reply #19 on: 11/03-03:39 »

Some publishers over think the market and the material. For me it's getting the author's material as good as he can make. I can tell them what I think and push them to do better, but they're the final judge. They're the only one's that have a financial stake(in man hours) in the game. I guess if I was running a publishing company I might want to add my two cents. I'd just like to think I was smart enough to get multiple opinions and never discourage a writer to the degree he doesn't write.

To be fair to his publishers (and many based on the conventional model) they put skin in the game when they paid to publish and distribute the works of authors. O'Brien's first novel was critically acclaimed but financially unrewarding. From that standpoint they were not acting  as editors...but as marketers who put money on the line.

In today's Age of The Long Tail, it is entirely possible that the need for editors that can encourage new talent and see that their works are of publishable quality will grow. Given the myriad of venues open to authors now, and the ability to publish without spending the baby's whiskey money,  content providers are in demand--even if the pay wouldn't keep you out of the poorhouse for two ticks of the clock.

One other quality I think we may see a demand for in editors...and that is a reputation for recognizing quality. With countless options available on the Internet, people are looking for filters, aggregators. An editor with an eye for eye-catching writers will be invaluable to the reading public as well as his coterie of content providers.
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« Reply #20 on: 11/03-03:43 »



I guess I should say gotcha then.

Lol...

Be careful what you wish for...


sooner or later somebody has to throw the damn dead mice out.
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« Reply #21 on: 11/03-03:55 »

Lol...

Be careful what you wish for...


sooner or later somebody has to throw the damn dead mice out.
I suspect most will walk out on their own once they get established. Some I'm sure will give up and fall away, despite any efforts to keep them motivated. There are no short cuts and for most people it takes a lot of dedication to stick with it long enough to succeed.

I'm hoping over the next year to have enough people to fill 4 or 5 complete working groups. Right know only a hand full are at that stage. Most are feeling it out and not mentally ready to commit.

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« Reply #22 on: 11/03-04:02 »

I suspect most will walk out on their own once they get established. Some I'm sure will give up and fall away, despite any efforts to keep them motivated. There are no short cuts and for most people it takes a lot of dedication to stick with it long enough to succeed.

I'm hoping over the next year to have enough people to fill 4 or 5 complete working groups. Right know only a hand full are at that stage. Most are feeling it out and not mentally ready to commit.


I like the concept of self supporting working groups that not only provide input at the front end, but enthusiasm on the post publishing back end.  That model could well lead to modern "Salons" of content providers and reliable aggregators for consumers.
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« Reply #23 on: 11/03-04:14 »


I like the concept of self supporting working groups that not only provide input at the front end, but enthusiasm on the post publishing back end.  That model could well lead to modern "Salons" of content providers and reliable aggregators for consumers.
That's the goal. Groups that will also provide initial reviews and supporting interlocked websites to provide standing among search engines.  I've been laying it all out for members in different threads. Everything from how search engines see and rank websites to how to use social networking, blogs and forums.
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« Reply #24 on: 11/03-04:22 »

That's the goal. Groups that will also provide initial reviews and supporting interlocked websites to provide standing among search engines.  I've been laying it all out for members in different threads. Everything from how search engines see and rank websites to how to use social networking, blogs and forums.

The publishing world is now...where the music world was when iTunes made its debut.


It will be interesting to watch various models play out. And it will be a tough time for traditional publishers without a stable of Famous Writers Who Sell A Million Books Every Time.


Your model takes advantage of everything Internet.  Which I'll bet Borders Books wishes they had done.
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« Reply #25 on: 11/03-04:26 »

The publishing world is now...where the music world was when iTunes made its debut.


It will be interesting to watch various models play out. And it will be a tough time for traditional publishers without a stable of Famous Writers Who Sell A Million Books Every Time.


Your model takes advantage of everything Internet.  Which I'll bet Borders
Books wishes they had done.

If Amazon got together some of their known authors with the right temperament and setup mentored working groups like this, they'd go a long way towards establishing a resource of decent writers.

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« Reply #26 on: 11/03-04:31 »

If Amazon got together some of their known authors with the right temperament and setup mentored working groups like this, they'd go a long way towards establishing a resource of decent writers.

It seems tailor-made for them...particularly given the reach of their retail arm.

But sometimes obvious trends are anything but obvious. At least to larger organizations.
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« Reply #27 on: 11/03-04:45 »

It seems tailor-made for them...particularly given the reach of their retail arm.

But sometimes obvious trends are anything but obvious. At least to larger organizations.
Even large organizations find it hard to focus on something other than their main business.
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